3 years ago

@celozzip Tbh when I watched WandaVision I thought Wanda was initially in some kind of dissociative state caused by grief and she didn't realize what she was doing - once she realized she was hurting people, she let everyone go. In this movie she's under the influence of the Darkhold, so once again she's not fully in control.<br /> <br /> Also, I don't understand why Wanda gets so much hate for Westview yet I don't see nearly as much hate for Hawkeye for going on a 5 year murder spree after his family got dusted, or for Tony for being a war profiteer and not thinking his career choice of selling weapons of mass destruction was a bit fucked up till they were used against him. Loki is a big fan favorite despite probably racking up a death count in the thousands after unleashing giant monsters on NYC. Also Strange nearly broke the multiverse for shits and giggles because a teenager wanted help with his college admissions, and then he brainwashed billions of people into forgetting who Spider-Man is.

3 years ago

@aniela-krajewska It's not for having done bad things, it's because the show constantly pities her as if those events were something dramatic that happened to her instead of her own wrongdoings. In wandavision she is presented as the focus of the tragedy rather than the pain she caused on other people. Same in this movie, all the nameless people she's killed don't matter as much as seeing her kids scared which makes her very very sad. The other characters don't get this treatment, we're meant to feel bad for what they did more than for them

3 years ago

@inspecthor I don’t remember anyone feeling bad for all the lives that Tony indirectly took when he was playing warlord (which included Wanda’s parents) or for the casualties Loki caused because of his daddy issues. They have way more “nameless people” on their conscience than Wanda yet no one talks about it because they’re seen as cool characters I guess. The pain they caused is never the focus of the story either. Tony is redeemed immediately. We never see him lose a wink of sleep over it. Loki is never shown regretting all the lives he took either. Wanda did a lot of bad shit, no question about it, but unlike a lot of the other characters, she wasn’t in control for at least parts of it. We don’t know exactly how much the Darkhold influenced her to do what she did in this movie. It’s also not clear how much of what she did in Westview was deliberate. Like I said, watching it I got the impression that Wanda was not aware of her actions for a big part of it. Dissociation as a result of grief is a documented thing. So yeah, actually, some of the stuff did happen to her because she wasn’t in control, and that makes it tragic. She is a tragic character because her overwhelming grief (girlie has lost everyone she’s ever loved, and that would break anybody) drove her to do something she didn’t know she was capable of, which in turn led her to even more grief, which led her to Darkhold (which she started studying to understand her powers, probably to avoid another Westview in the future), which led her to being consumed by ancient dark magic. No other character has been put through nearly as much shit as she went through. So yeah, I for one do feel bad for her.

3 years ago

@aniela-krajewska We're repeatedly reminded of the wrong things Tony did. Like you said by Wanda and his brother in Ultron, by a woman who lost her child in Sokovia because of him (watching that scene it's clear he lost sleep over it), by both villains in the first and second Spiderman... <br /> The difference is that he actually learns and is not treated like the victim for having to change. But when Wanda gives up her illusion and has to confront the Westview people she's told that ''they'll never know what she sacrificed for them'' as if their anger is unreasonable, then she proceed to do something worse. <br /> Still It's not about her morality, terrible people like Loki can still be likeable characters, but the show should be more honest about it instead of excusing her as not being in control

3 years ago

@inspecthor The thing is, whether or not Loki or any character is likable/redeemable/etc., at the end of the day it really comes down to personal preference. I love Wanda, always have and always will, even if she does terrible things in this movie - but then again, a lot of my favorite characters have done terrible things. I find her to be super interesting and a hell of a lot compelling that a lot of other characters. I do think that Monica saying that to Wanda at the end of WandaVision was dumb. It was clear that Wanda did feel guilty about what she did and she never meant for it to happen or for any harm to come to those people, and she herself never claimed they weren't justified in their anger, it was another character who rather lamely tried to do so. I don't think her not being in control is an excuse so much as it is an explanation. Bucky was brainwashed by HYDRA into killing who knows how many people, and I can understand that he wasn't in control of his actions and can't be fully blamed, which is exactly how I feel about Wanda in WandaVision - she definitely wasn't in her right mind for a big part of it, literally driven mad with grief which triggered her powers in a way she couldn't understand or fully control. I can feel compassion for her because it’s an impossible situation to find oneself in.<br /> <br /> (Also, I don't remember if Tony ever actually has to face up to what Wanda went through because of him - I know we as the audience are told about it, but I don't think Wanda ever confronts him about it, which is wasted potential, because she's not just another nameless civilian who was hurt by his weapons, she's one of the main characters and they really could've done something interesting with it.)

2 years ago

@celozzip Bruh, elephant in the room, infinite multiverses means there should have been millions of Wandas, and the rule to multiverses is "anything that can happen, will happen" thus one of the Wanda's would have succeded, right. Marvel writers are really idiots, I am not sure how they keep their jobs. Paul you are so right!